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COMPLETE - Anomaly Discussion/Investigations 4/23/20[edit source]

I have what I think is new information (I do not know where I would look to discuss or contribute), regarding two/three anomalies. Is there a place here I should add this information? Or is there another one I am not aware of? It consists of two pictures and theories for one, and two theories for two others. Fluffinator0982446 (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

If you are referring to a Space Encounter, then you can reference this page: Space Encounter. If you are wanting the Space Anomaly, then use this page: Space Anomaly You can also use the search bar to look for phrases that might direct you to the proper page. Does this help? Ddfairchild (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
I was referring to the Space Encounters in this case. I have posted a very in depth Reddit thread in r/NoMansSkyTheGame but it has yet to garner any posts beyond my own. Therefore I am afraid I have already been lost in the clutter, so I am trying to figure out a proper 'signal boost' action to gain more discussion and contribution to this.
Reddit Anomaly/Encounter Thread

Fluffinator0982446 (talk) 21:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

I have place a copy of your post on the talk page for Space Encounters. Can't promise any response, but at least it's there. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 22:05, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! Hopefully this will bring more people in. Also, is there a clear guide on creating an Official 'Hub' in general? Fluffinator0982446 (talk) 17:11, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Fill me in on what you mean by an official HUB? Ddfairchild (talk) 05:14, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Application For Official Inclusion In Civilized Space 4/13/20[edit source]

Owner of The Union Of Communal Stars formally requests inclusion and recognition as an established and recognized Civilization. Due to inaccessibility to No Man's Sky, we are unable to properly add pages for our remaining star systems, however, any member of the wiki is gladly allowed to visit the systems themselves to confirm our claim over them. The region has been experiencing an issue with renaming, and several planets and systems are constantly shifting names from the original names to the renamed ones. It is therefore requested to check the validity of the claims via discoverer name, TheDarkness473-, and not system names. The pages of the remaining systems shall be added as soon as we are sure of the rename issue being fixed, and once all data and images are in good order. Thank you. Eclipsed void16 (talk) 08:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I have copied it to the Civspace talk page, which is where future comments on your request will be added. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 14:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Adding a company 14 Sep 2019[edit source]

I have a large collection of detailed, resource bases I'm wanting to put here as a company. I believe I have all the listed requirements but I have no idea how to begin. I suppose my first question is whether I need permission to add it. After that it would be helpful if there were a guide of some sort to begin adding and editing. Any help would be great. Vanyelmage (talk) 04:08, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

I've added some information to your user profile page - hope it helps. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 15:23, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Discord 15 May 2019[edit source]

I've made a Discord server for this wiki. All are welcome. Invite link --Pcj (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

OPEN - Missing Planet Type Information 2 Aug 2020[edit source]

I would like to share my experience as user who started playing NMS recently.

When I am flying my starship inside a new star system I just warped to, and see an unmapped planet, I can hit C to get some basic information about it.

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This shows "Finned Planet", so I open this wiki's main page and put "finned" in the top-right search field to see if there is an article about it.

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As the auto-complete does not offer any article containing the word "finned". In fact - it does not offer any suggestions at all - so I hit ENTER to see the full list of results.

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None of results have "finned" in their title. In fact, all of the results describe other logged planets of type "finned", but just by looking at the list of the search results - it is clear to me that there is no general page on this wiki describing what a "finned planet" is. As a new player I assume this wiki is probably likewise new and does not contain the information I need, so I go and search on other resources - Reddit, Fandom etc.

But of course, since I have used the wiki for a little bit longer now, I have already stumbled upon Biome - Exotic, which is the target page that should have been displayed to me when I was searching for "finned" initially! I would imagine players who played the game for a year or more would probably know all the hundred or so name variations by heart - however please try to put yourselves in the shoes of someone who just started playing NMS for whom it may be the first or one of their first visits to this wiki.
There are three main questions here.
  1. Does the community want this wiki to be the "go to" resource for any player, be it new or experienced, or is the community quite relaxed about players being disappointed with the lack of information this wiki provides? I would assume the community would prefer that this wiki is the "go to" resource.
  2. Does the community care about helping newbie players to give them the information they are likely going to be looking for, or is this community mostly targeting veteran players? I assume that new players are in scope.
  3. What is a good solution to the current problem of not being able to find this information easily? A simple and effective solution I would propose is to create about a hundred or so redirect pages - one page per possible planet type, each redirecting to the page with the general information about that biome. Demonstration of this solution on an example: Tropical > Biome - Lush.
I open this wiki's main page and put "tropical" in the top-right search field to see if there is an article about it.
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I immediately see "tropical" as one of the auto-completion choices, so I click on it. I am taken to the redirected page Biome - Lush where I can read the information that I was looking for on this wiki.
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Please tag anyone who you feel will be interested to discuss this. @User:Ddfairchild @User:Thamalandis.

Trajos (talk) 12:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

When I search for the word "finned", two of the first three results that come up display the word "finned" and "exotic" in the same sentence. Wiki searches are not designed to always return an exact page for whatever you happen to search for, any more than Google or Bing will always return the exact page you are looking for.
I also did a quick search for all 10 of the biome flavors for Lush, and other than those you had already created redirects for, not one of them failed to have a top-5 result that was either a direct reference to Biome - Lush or that listed at least one planet that contained the search word and the Lush biome phrase. And most had more than one top-5 reference.
If we do this for biomes, why not for weather? Why not for every word that can be used to describe an artifact? Why not words for anything having to do with multi-tools or starships? The solution you suggest, if carried to full execution, would create not a hundred, but thousands of redirect pages, all based on a single word that a user MIGHT choose to look for. There are also words that are used to describe not only biomes, but other things as well. For example "bountiful" is a type of Lush biome, but it can also describe the level of flora and fauna on a planet. "Flourishing" is both a variety of the Lush biome and a type of Wealth. You've now short-circuited a user searching for the non-biome flavor of the word.
I discussed this with the Gamepedia team the first time you brought up the idea. They described it as a "neutral suggestion at best" the first time, and I doubt they have changed their mind even though you bring it up again. In short, this is an unappetizing solution to a problem that is not, in all likelihood, an actual problem for most users in the first place. Creating hundreds of extra pages is neither simple, nor, in my opinion. necessary. Ddfairchild (talk) 17:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
To address your points:
  1. Wiki searches are not designed to always return an exact page for whatever you happen to search for, any more than Google or Bing will always return the exact page you are looking for. - agreed, but this part of the issue in my view. In other words, this is exactly why I am bringing up this topic; if wiki searches were designed that way - there would be no need to discuss this.
  2. I also did a quick search for all 10 of the biome flavors for Lush, and other than those you had already created redirects for, not one of them failed to have a top-5 result that was either a direct reference to Biome - Lush - top-5 result is still not as reliable to make sure a reader notices it, as the page being shown in the search drop-down but as a compromise we could start with anything that doesn't appear in top-5, and leave top-5 as a lower priority job for later.
  3. Why not words for anything having to do with multi-tools or starships? - I can see Gorla already did something like this for upgrades, e.g. Blaze Javelin Module, Boltcaster Module, so looks like yes, other people were interested in that idea than myself. And yes, I think doing it for weather maybe a useful step - but we have to consider priorities here. Biomes is something that would be the highest priority of the items you mentioned. Why? Because much fewer new players are likely to be interested in an artifacts simply because they are far less likely to encounter them early on - like they would biomes, and then artifacts is something of a much smaller importance to most players, as it's something that you get in your inventory, sell and forget about it, while biome is the actual gameplay environment where you will be playing the game for a few hours or days or weeks - it's a lot more global than an item in your inventory. And in principle I have nothing against doing it for all of those items you mentioned, but biomes are a higher priority for me personally and also I estimate in terms of missed search queries and hence in terms of the number of disappointments they would solve the biggest number of missed searches compared to all the other areas you mentioned - hence they should be fixed first.
  4. Creating hundreds of extra pages is neither simple - what exactly is not simple? If this proposal is agreed - then I will do it free of charge to Gamepedia, so it will be simple for them in that dimension, is there any other complexity?
  5. nor, in my opinion. - if that opinion is based on any reasons not mentioned yet - feel free to put them forward so I can address them.
  6. Gamepedia team ... described it as a "neutral suggestion at best" the first time, and I doubt they have changed their mind even though you bring it up again. - why not tag them in this post to see what they think about reading a well-defined presentation of the idea with pictures from someone who is enthusiastic about it, that can make a big difference. If it's an idea that will likely bring more satisfied readers and with that advertisement revenue - what's not to be happy about.
Trajos (talk) 19:57, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I praise the decision to generally bring up a topic for discussion before setting out to make numerous changes on the wiki. I think that can avoid wasted time and potentially lead to improvements on ideas for sweeping changes, before they are made. On this specific topic, I am always cautious about adding redirects and instruct others to only do so when necessary or of great benefit. In this case, unless I'm missing something, I don't see the need for redirects. In your example, I encounter a "Finned Planet" in-game and check the wiki for information. If I type "finned" into the search, I simply have to read a couple lines, seeing "This is an exotic finned planet. For more information see Biome - Exotic." I click twice, and arrive at the Biome - Exotic page. That's where you wanted to end up, right? If I instead type in "Finned planet", the very first entry includes "This is a finned planet of". Again, I click twice, and arrive at Biome - Exotic. Yes, I think we are happy to be a "go to" resource and happy to help newbie players, and can reasonably expect them to be able to read a couple lines and click twice. I don't believe redirects are necessary or of great benefit in these cases. But again, I praise you for raising the suggestion, and please do keep an eye out for other ways to improve things. Phaedrus2929 (talk) 20:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I understand your approach about avoiding redirects, but what is the benefit in avoiding them? Trajos (talk) 21:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Avoiding gunking up the site with extra unnecessary pages that can potentially cause problems Phaedrus2929 (talk) 21:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
However, I gave the detailed reasons above why these particular redirects are necessary, so that justifies why they can no longer be put in the "unnecessary" category, right? Regarding problems - any details about what sort of potential problems do you have in mind? Trajos (talk) 21:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
In the example, you wanted to end up at the Biome - Exotic page, unless I'm misunderstanding. The search will take a user there if they read a couple lines and click twice, so the redirect is not necessary. While we don't want to require that someone is a veteran player to use the wiki, I think it is reasonable to assume they can read a couple lines and click twice. I think if someone can play and enjoy the challenging game of NMS that we all love, then they can read two lines and click twice...so no, a redirect is not needed or necessary in this case. But do keep an eye out for other recommendations and let the community know!Phaedrus2929 (talk) 21:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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