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COMPLETE - Cosmic Cooperative changes 02/06/2020[edit source]

The Cosmic Cooperative feels that the description listed on the page needs to be updated.

Cosmic Cooperative - is a direct democracy, high population civilization based in the Alpha Quadrant that focuses on discovery and construction. The Cosmic Cooperative does not have a leader; citizens vote for everything and elect a representative.

Thanks! Moon cookies1 (talk) 16:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

change has been made. Ddfairchild (talk) 19:43, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Formal request 01/31/2020[edit source]

The Black Star Order advance its official request to be added to the Civilized space page.

The Black Star Order has been added to the map. Welcome! --Artifexity (talk) 23:02, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Sorry, will the "navigation zone" section be updated too? 01/02/2020
Yes, as far as I can tell, all the requirements are met. I'm waiting for Ddfairchild's assessment. Once that is done, the page will be updated. --Artifexity (talk) 09:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I have reviewed your pages, and added in the missing sections, categories, etc. For future reference, review the changes so you'll be able to include those items on any additional pages. Your civ has been added to the civspace page, welcome to civilization! Ddfairchild (talk) 06:52, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to remove the United Corporate Alliance from the Civ page 01/29/2020[edit source]

There are several honorable individuals currently listed and I mean this as no insult but this alliance seem inactive and much of it has not been updated. I will not hide my feelings about this alliance, I am not a fan but there are some great companies like Vy'Kea Furniture Company, and Intergalactic Exploration Corporation, but many of the others seem incomplete. I actually don't think (under our wiki's own rules) this constitutes as an alliance as many of these companies don't have the required documentation (as far as I can tell). Over-all I feel it is a misrepresentation to our players to have this show-cased. As the games largest documented Company (InExCor) I would yield my opinion to user:PeaceBomb, if he was to take over and revamp this alliance I would drop my concerns; however, I hope he considers joining the Federation with me and together we could possibly create a true active business department... but I am getting off track.

bottom line - I do not think this alliance has the documentation or real support it needs to be showcased as a main NMS alliance that new players could become apart of. I am of course open to learning new information if it is available, thank you Intothedoor (talk) 23:38, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't agree with you. There are definitely more than 2-3 active companies. I frequently talk with the Gek Trading Federation owner on Discord and MegaCorp is still active there as well, AFAIK, as well as the active Celab Galactic Industries, and many others. A real concern up for debate would be the number of civilizations/companies needed to form a recognized alliance. IMO it should be at least 4 or 5 fully documented groups; and the Trinity Pact alliance should not be featured in the map, rather than removing the UCA, because it is merely a pact rather then a supranationalism/alliance. AGT also isn’t really an alliance, and they don’t have many separate groups anymore. CC citizens were hoping to form a supranationalism like the real world United Nations, something like United Galactic Nations, as somewhat of an alternative to the Federation, but not really, as it is definitely more discussion-focused. Right now the only real supranational alliances are the UCA and Federation, and UCA is a corporate alliance, so really, just the UFT. Winter naut (talk) 00:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
As the publisher of the map, I would like to point out that the legend on the map does not only refer to recognized alliances. The map tries to reveal the entire visible area of cooperation between civilizations, which is why the Trinity Pact is listed. The AGT is a special alliance. Their structure is difficult to decipher. The AGT is one of the first alliances in NMS. --Artifexity (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
(I would assume) There is a point at which we will have to move this group to 'inactive' if they do not update their information and provide documentation of their travels. History is as much a part of the wiki (and just as important) as current culture, my concern is old information can be misleading and I would rather see the wiki provide helpful information. The AGT has been a profound group since the beginning of this game and the alliance, as I see it, is the cross platform, cross culture (game and social media), cross galaxy play which is the group. If one was to be technical the group could split into galactic and regional groups which in-turn would form the basis of an Alliance. There is also a greater historical sentiment in their position (this is at least how I see it). You mention the Trinity Pack, but this discussion is not about who is on the map; however, they are also an XBox group which was formed at the beginning of that platforms introduction to the game, thus more historic than both of us.
My focus is specifically the business community and how we are presented. If each business needs 10 documented systems/pages and there needs to be 5 businesses to form an Alliance, this is a thin if not invalid alliance.Intothedoor (talk) 09:45, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

OK, Have done some research on the companies listed as making up the UCA as far as their activity on the wiki.

1) MegaCorp, CELAB Galactic Industries, Intergalactic Exploration Corporation, and Vy"kea Furniture Company all have an official index on the Companies page. This indicates that at one time, they were recognized as official companies.
2) The other seven companies listed as members do NOT have entries on the page, so never completed the process. These are as follows, with an indication as of the last time their embassy page was updated:
  • Aviszar Cartel - September 2019
  • Samone Corporation - December 2019
  • Ghost Enterprises - April 2019
  • The Romefeller Foundation - April 2019
  • Black Hole Suns - November 2019
  • ScrapGek Enterprises - January 2020
  • New Frontiers Incorporated - July 2019

From this list, I would consider Ghost Enterprises, The Romefeller Foundation, and New Frontiers questionable at best as far as being active, with the Aviszar Cartel a borderline case.

Having said that, I would say that there still appear to be enough companies that are active/sort of active to qualify. However, I do ask the following related question. The UCA has a recognition link on both the Company AND the CivSpace pages. It cannot be both a group of civilizations and a group of companies, as it is specifically related that it is company based. So should it really BE on both pages? And in truth, I also question whether the Federation should have a link on both pages. The Federation list that is currently on the wiki appears to contain only civspaces, and not companies. (of course, this list may not be complete - does anyone have an official answer as to whether or not the Fed accepts companies as members?)

So - IMHO based on current evidence, either either choose to leave the UCA and the Fed on both pages, or we remove the UCA from the CivSpace page and remove the Federation from the Companies page. Thoughts? Ddfairchild (talk) 20:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

The Federation also accepts companies. At the moment, 4 members of the Federation are officially recognized companies. GenBra Space Corp, RAIN, Galactic Trading Company and The Collective (Empire of Phantomium Marxium). If Oxalis Hotel Chain and Red Egion Motel Chain II (Eyfert Khannate) count, then the Federation has 6 active companies and can be recognized as an alliance on both pages.--Artifexity (talk) 22:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Is Oxalis an active concern? The release currently shows as Visions, and the page is missing a number of the standard Company sections. If Oxalis IS active, then the Headquarters page needs to be updated a bit. Red Egion Motel Chain is a new company, and is active. I've added the "federation = Yes" tag to the infobox for those where it is needed, other than Oxalis. If Oxalis is active, then the Fed will have the five needed companies and can be listed on the Company page. As for the UCA, I believe it is an acceptable Company alliance so will leave the link there. However, it is NOT a civspace alliance, so will drop the link from the CivSpace page.

And finally, we have never created a "new release" page for Companies like we have done for our CivSpaces. I will be doing that and removing any inactive civs. I will consider a civ inactive if their last wiki activity was more than six month ago. Ddfairchild (talk) 23:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to mention the Galactic Trading Company as a member of the Federation. In this respect, the Federation Allianz for Companies would also be possible without the Oxalis Hotel Chain. The Oxalis Hotel Chain is currently being renovated :) Otherwise, I agree with everything.--Artifexity (talk) 10:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the thought out response and research. My goal is to keep the business community alive and flourishing and I will continue this thru my political and personal channels in addition to keeping an eye on the wiki. If the UCA continues to stay in-date then I will not have any issues, I only want things to stay alive and not mislead any new players. I think the moves thus far are appropriate and we should review this in the future as things evolve. I would like to say one thing about the Federation, we are an open and active alliance for both Civilizations and Companies and every day we are bettering ourselves, I feel we should be represented on both pages because we accept both and in total we have the active numbers to show for it; we are the best place for any active company or civ to be (in my opinion). Intothedoor (talk) 23:31, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Updated the Embassy Page 01/09/2019[edit source]

Hello I updated the Lanny Poo Empires page so could it be added back to the galactic map.

Done. Welcome back! --Artifexity (talk) 12:10, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Star system page not linking to other pages 11/10/2019[edit source]

Could someone please check the Vovaykeva page? The parent pages of Volition Project and Lihalaw Void pages don't link to that page and my skills with Wiki editing are very limited. The link stays red and says 'page doesn't exist'. Thanks in advance Gaspurr (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Just took a look, the links seem to be working just fine. Wonder if you may have a caching issue. Go to the either of those pages and edit-and-save without making any changes. See if that fixes it? Ddfairchild (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes it seems like a caching thing. Only issue that's left is the Navigator at the bottom Vovaykeva page which says 'category doesn't exist'. Gaspurr (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Looks like it's been removed. The navigator is an optional section that doesn't get used a lot. If you don't need one, just removed the line (but leave the section header in place). Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Application to join UFT 11/2/2019[edit source]

Hello all, I would like to have my group called Darkk Sector Syndicate added to the civilized space page. I am in the Alpha quadrant of Eissentam. My civilization has been added to the map but is not under the navigation zone for Eissentam. Here is a litlle lore i created for my civilization. "We are a technological society that aims to find a way to preserve our existence after the "death" of the ATLAS. Located in the Tegoci region of the Alpha quadrent in Eissentam, we are constantly on the search for Glitch planets which we believe may be a way to understand how the ATLAS works."

I have reviewed your embassy page and the two star pages (and planets) that you've added to the wiki. Made a couple of changes there to match up with the rest of the wiki formatting; those pages are good to go. You'll need to create three more star pages (per the requirements on the civspace page) and once those are reviewed-and-approved, we'll add your civ to the the civspace page. Before you create those pages, though, review the changes made to your first two star pages and include those changes in your new pages as well. Thanks much - looking to adding your page to Civilized space in the near future! Ddfairchild (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello Darkkblaz, as soon as Ddfairchild has reviewed the pages and the recognition as a civilization has been done, the Darkk Sector Syndicate will be added as a new member of the Federation. Welcome. Artifexity (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I have looked over the edits you made and will implement them when I add the next 3 systems. It may take me a few days or so before I am able to fully add the next 3 systems, but I will post here when it is finished.

Works for me! (BTW, if you include four tildes
~~~~
at the end of your posts, it will tag your user name and date. Thanks!)

I have been able to add the 3 renaming systems, and I believe I have made the correct edits to them. If there is anything I need to change let me know.Darkkblaz (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Pages reviewed and approved - have added your civ to the CivSpace page - welcome! May you live long and prosper. BTW for future, make sure to include the needed Category section at the bottom of each page, as well as creating the necessary Category pages. If you have questions on how categories work, give me a holler. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 23:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, glad to be apart of the Federation.Darkkblaz (talk) 23:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Introducing the Volition Project to Civilised Space // Application to the UFT - 10/25/2019[edit source]

Good day all, I would like to have our PC player group named The Volition Project added to the Civilised Space page please. We are in the Gamma quadrant. Our aim it to become a member of the UFT. I see we have already been added to the map but the intro text is missing. So here we go: "The Project's mission is to explore the worlds out there and drive the frontier ever further by finding new places and by claiming worthy assets for generations of pioneers who may follow in our wake. We are curious frontiersmen and -women with a heart and soul for intrepid expansion." - V.PRO Project Lead Andrew Gaspurr

Hi Gaspurr, as soon as Ddfairchild has reviewed the pages and the recognition as a civilization has been done, the Volition Project will be added as a new member of the Federation. Welcome. --Artifexity (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
OK, I did a review of the first three "A" systems, and made a variety of changes, mainly with the Alias names section, resource links, and categories. You can review these changes, then make the same to your remaining star systems. I figure it would be easier for me to make a couple changes and just have you review them as compared to "giving you instructions" <g> Also, the page on the mineral was perfectly fine as to how it was written, but we don't normally create individual pages for minerals or plants. It's fine to include information on the planet page about them. Now if the mineral is really unique-and-fascinating, the a separate page would be ok. Lemme know once you've update the remaining pages - thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 00:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, I have seen the 'recommended' edits and I'm getting more firm using Wiki formating so yes, I'll do the other edits soon and will continue to use them for star systems. As for the mineral page, yeah, I figured they were really special and looked like the Gek may have worshipped them in the past. Very peculiar, but I will be really strict when adding more of this very individual stuff. Gaspurr (talk) 09:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Right, I think I catered to most, if not all, your propositions and thank you for your reviews so far. Let me please reiterate the Volition Project's application to the UFT and us looking forward to being a part of this fine crew. Godspeed. Gaspurr (talk) 19:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I've reviewed your star pages, embassy page, and application. You're good to go - welcome to the CivSpace communmity. Ddfairchild (talk) 19:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - New Request - Adjusting Information for the HCIS - 10/8/19[edit source]

Hello, my fellow Travellers! Just wished to make a couple of updates to the general information of the HCIS throughout the Federation and Civilized space displays in general. Our symbol has been updated (which also has its own alternate version), as well as our population has increased! Our Census shown on our subreddit now registers 7 players in total, bringing us into the Standard classification. Finally, I have gone through and updated/refreshed the description of the organization. Just making sure our personal information is up to date, and keeping ourselves active! Thank you for your time!
-Director of the HCIS Optimus3097 (talk) 13:56, 08 October 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good, always good to see our civspaces prospering and growing. Ddfairchild (talk) 01:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello Optimus3097, I have adapted the map of the Federation accordingly. Thank you. Artifexity (talk) 10:42, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - What the ewoks did I miss?[edit source]

OK, wow, that's a pretty empty starmap. Sigh, I guess a lot of people left. Oh well, could be worse. Dang though, that's a lot of now defunct interstellar communities. I, uh, I need to go sit down. * realizes I'm already sitting *, OK, well that didn't help anything with the newfound shock of a mostly empty starmap. I'm gonna go, and uh, make some cheese. Rockatoa, Brickticks (talk) 22:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC) out!

Hello Brickticks, the map is a bit deceptive at the moment. Since I only add civilizations that have updated their Embassy pages to Beyond. I think there are still a few coming back. At the moment most are busy with cooking :) Immediately after an update, other topics take precedence. After a while, when everything new has been tried, some come back or discover the civilized space for the first time. --Artifexity (talk) 08:56, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - The map has been updated to Beyond 9/9/19[edit source]

All civilized space zones, that have not updated their Embassy page to Beyond, have been removed from the map. --Artifexity (talk) 10:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Request to append link to coordinate system in Extra Info 8/31/19[edit source]

Users who want to establish companies may not know how to determine which quadrant they are in. Providing a simple conversion method in the "Extra Information" section of the page may be a viable way to mitigate this potential issue.

XanTheDragon (talk) 18:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello XanTheDragon, thanks for the hint. A note was added to Additional information. --Artifexity (talk) 10:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Free Delta Initiative population 8/24/19[edit source]

Hi, why is the Free Delta Initiative marked as a Hub (on the map) when it isn’t? It is basically an alliance and the census consists of less individuals then the required 15 for Hub status. Also, why is the Cafe 42 civilization marked as Event and the "42" is marked white for some reason? Why so? Thanks, Winter naut (talk) 00:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Winter naut, I've already talked to Moon cookies1 from the Cosmic Cooperative about my work on the map regarding Hubs. Please inform yourself about it in the lower section (Hubs & more 8/14/19). The 15 rule is an invention of the Federation to avoid fraud. It only applies within the Federation. On the map I apply various criteria to mark a Hub. The 15 rule is only one of them. The map is largely independent of wiki, federation or other interest alliances. I also try to take developments outside this community into consideration.
During the Beyond Black Holes Contest, the Free Delta Initiative proved to be a Hub by making an extraordinary number of entries. In my opinion, this has only been possible with a high number of members or users who feel connected to the FDI. Shortly thereafter, I was asked by DeepSikz if I would mark the FDI as a Hub.
Cafe 42 has an offshoot (Event) in the 42nd Galaxy. This is used as a port of call for travelers through the galaxies. Previously, the 42nd Galaxy had its own box on the map and so the event could be marked. But due to lack of information about the Event and lack of space on the map, I decided to change that. I am not satisfied with the solution and will change it again. Thanks for the hint.
The map is subject to constant adaptation. Especially after an update. It's going to change a lot. --Artifexity (talk) 08:41, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Request to change EPM's location on the starmap 8/17/19[edit source]

Sorry to have to bother you again so soon. But the capital of the EPM has changed a considerable distance, the system, planet and coords have already been updated on the Embassy page. For ease of access the new coords:

0801:0086:07E2:007A

In case we need to document 5 in total new systems in the region just like when we started off, I'll get on it as soon as I get confirmation. I hope you'll be able to make the edit without having been too inconvenienced.

Thanks in advance! Blek456 (talk) 08:56, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Blek456, I have adjusted the maps accordingly. To my knowledge, it suffices in such a case to document the capital system and the capital planet in the new region. The other old 4 star systems continue to count. Optionally, of course, it would be desirable for the new region to be documented as well. --Artifexity (talk) 10:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! The new region will be documented, but I wanted to know if I should it do immediately or at a slower pace. Blek456 (talk) 15:42, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Hubs & more 8/14/19[edit source]

As said by Artifexity and many other users, Hubs are a controversial topic. And here I am, part of that now. I was told that 15 users in a Census must have a Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, or Gamepedia account to be a Hub. So that is why I had to wait for 25 Citizens, because many of the citizens did not have those accounts. However, some Hubs do not follow this and there are other issues as well with many of them:

  • Amino Hub
    • Census
      • Census is outdated (Atlas Rises)
      • Only 12 members actually have the accounts I mentioned
      • Duplicate users
    • Star systems are from Pathfinder
  • Free Delta Initiative
    • Actually an Alliance, not a Hub
    • The Census has less members than 15
    • Only 2 documented systems
  • Alliance of Galactic Travellers This one is a little more complex:
    • The Census includes members from Louyen, CELAB Galactic Industries, etc
      • These members should not be counted toward the AGT hub in Gamma
    • All the members of the Facebook are considered citizens? What if we made all of the people in our discord citizens?
    • It still might be a hub, there is just no way of knowing

I do not mean to harm any of these civilizations: I am trying to make the wiki more accurate

In addition, civilizations without 5 documented systems or inactive since 2 updates ago (Abyss in this case) should be removed.

Thanks ~Moon cookies1 (talk) 01:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Moon cookies1, first I have to clarify something. We have to distinguish between the page of the civilized space and the map. The map serves primarily the general public, beyond Federation and Wiki. That's why there are also Civilizations and Hubs on the map that are not or hardly represented in the wiki.
Through my role as moderator in the Federation, I am constantly receiving personal messages about new Civilizations or changes in existing ones. Therefore I have information to make the map as balanced as possible for all.
History, activities and census are equally included in the evaluation of a hub on the map. I mentioned examples in response to my profile. If there are no previous stories or activities that indicate a Hub, I would point out the 15 verifiable members. That's what happened with your Civilization.
The decision of 15 verifiable members on the wiki was a decision by the Federation to be recognized as a Hub. This was at a time when membership of the Federation was not determined by the documentation of star systems, but by the number of members. https://www.reddit.com/r/NMS_Federation/comments/981911/debriefing_and_result_of_the_vote_on_the/
The next 3 months will continue to see Federation members on the map who may still be from NEXT. That's the effect of a Federation decision: https://www.reddit.com/r/NMS_Federation/comments/bowaz1/fsa_supplement_42/
Under the heading "Under construction" are all Civilizations which are either new and/or do not meet the minimum requirements for Civilization recognition. As well as Civilizations or Hubs, which are not represented in the wiki accordingly. I will present this more clearly in the map after your request in the future.
The map is subject to constant adaptation. Especially after an update. It's going to change a lot. Thank you for your research. --Artifexity (talk) 12:12, 15 August 2019 (UTC)