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COMPLETE - Map update 7/13/20[edit source]

The map has been adjusted. All civilizations that have not updated their embassy pages since Synthesis have been removed.

Request to have White Noise Recognized as a Civilized Space Community 7/6/20[edit source]

Hello. I would like to submit a request for my civ, White Noise, to be recognized. The wiki page is in good shape, and as the community grows, the wiki and its information will grow with it. Flashdrive2020 (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I've reviewed your embassy page and made some needed adjustments, so that requirement is now completed. For your civ to be placed on the regular civspace page, you'll need to have actual pages in the wiki for the five stars you have listed. My suggestion is that you create one of them (using the standard Star preload template) and have us review it for you. Once that's done, you can build your other pages based on the first one. Thanks much! Ddfairchild (talk) 17:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Request for GCAS civ space Update 6/29/20[edit source]

In order to better fulfill our primary goals of exploration and research, the Grand Conjunction is aligning towards a more neutral and uninvolved stance towards the galactic stage. For that reason, the GCAS has exited from UFT membership. The GCAS would also like to request updating our Navigation Zone description to the following: "Their mission is to decipher the mysteries of the universe through exploration, research, and documentation." Thank you. Ertosiangel (talk) 02:59, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Change has been completed as requested. Ddfairchild (talk) 03:21, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
The map has been adjusted accordingly. Artifexity (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I noticed the UFT page still lists us on the Federation Civilizations table as a member. I would remove it myself but the page is locked. Thanks again, Ertosiangel (talk) 12:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
The text entry has been removed from the page. Ddfairchild (talk) 17:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Request for The Viridian Assembly of Eissentam to be inculuded as an official civ 6/15/20[edit source]

I've just finished up documenting my 5 star systems but I'm not sure exactly what "in good order" means as far as their pages. I'm still figuring all of this out, but if everything looks good then I am requesting that The VAE be included on the Civilized Space page. If there's still work that needs to be done on the pages just let me know what I have to do and I'll get on it. Thank you Mattastic119 22:54, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mattastic119, I have adjusted the color assignment of The Viridian Assembly of Eissentam on the map accordingly. As far as I can tell, the entries are sufficient for recognition, but we are waiting for Ddfairchild's assessment. Artifexity (talk) 08:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I've reviewed your embassy and star pages. Please review the changes I made to the various star pages for future reference, we hope you'll be adding additional pages <grin>. If you would, there is a Location section on our star pages - if you can fill in some of this information, at minimum the coords for the system? Once that's been done, we'll get your entry added to the civspace page. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I've added glyph's and Coordinates to the Location section of each of the 5 star systems I currently have listed. Please take a look and let me know if anything else needs to be done at this time. Thank you. Mattastic119 (talk) 21:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to Civspace - may you explore and document many more systemsDdfairchild (talk) 05:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Resignation of the EPM as a Hub 6/4/2020[edit source]

Hello there!
As you already know prior to the Federation's polls about Hub requirements the EPM reached the old requirements to be a Hub. Considering the new requirements however that is no longer the case. While I personally fully support the requirements that have been put in place, and also believe that the 60 days given for the current Hubs to work on the new requirements is far more than just reasonable, I don't believe that the EPM will be able to fulfil them in time. In addition I personally think it will put some pressure on us on finishing the requirements, which may sway our attention away from other ideas and projects we have. I certainly will be continuing to create pages relative to the EPM for systems and what not (although my schedule has been really busy recently) and will most likely work on becoming a Hub again at a much slower pace, basically on the background while other things take priority. In the meantime I'd like to thank Ddfairchild for the cool banner he created that is used on our embassy page, even if the EPM's status as a Hub is short-lived the banner sure looks great. Blek456 (talk)5, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Blek456, there may be only one Hub left at the end of the transition period. The hurdles are high. This gives the term Hub a greater meaning. As a map maker, I consider how I can continue to integrate the Hubs of the previous rule into the map. I think we just need another category between Standard and Hub. Artifexity (talk) 09:34, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
I agree, the meaning of Hub status is definitely shining the way it has been voted. Your efforts as a map maker are certainly appreciated and regarding the old Hub integration, I also agree that it will be most beneficial for a new category to be created between Standard and Hub. Ever since the change in the requirements for Hub status there's a big gap between Standard and Hub requirements. This will definitely need more discussion though. Blek456 (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
On the civilized space map I have marked all civilizations as Mega that have registered over 15 members but have not yet reached hub status (including wiki-independent civs). This is a first attempt to fill the gap. At the latest when the transition period has ended, we will start a further discussion in the Federation together with the Census Department. Artifexity (talk) 12:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
That more or less solves my issue, thank you! Currently seeing how there's more focus on the Pillar of the Federation I think we should wait a little bit until that is done. Shouldn't take that much time I think, it will surely be before the transition period ends. After that further discussion for the gap and the implementation of Mega can start without any interferences. That's my take on this at least. Blek456 (talk) 16:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Request a Conversation and Evaluation of our Civ Space Security 5/26/2020[edit source]

I propose all main Civ space pages (Civs/Companies) be given minimum editing security. By minimum I mean all edits to the main Civ page be from registered users only as in: This page has been protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. There is already a civ space requirement that the wiki have a registered contact, it doesn't seem a stretch that only registered users be responsible for edits to a registered civ space page. To clarify this is only for the main civ page, I propose no changes to any other current page. What does the community think? Intothedoor (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Couple of thoughts. I would allow the civ to make this decision instead of making it a requirement. For example, some civs keep their census on the civspace page. If you keep out anon editors, some people wouldn't be able to add their name to the census. I would also restrict this to civs that officially request to be a part of the civspace page. As part of the review process, the civ would be asked if they wanted this security or not. Ddfairchild (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
I think that's a great idea. How do we let people know that this is available if they want it? Intothedoor (talk) 17:38, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
If you are asking for the community opinion, I presume that it is fair to give mine. As Ddfairchild said, I believe it should be optional for the civilization to choose. A civilization may opt in for the extra security so that plagiarism similar to recent events does not occur, but on the contrary, there are census pages on civilizations that anon editors would not be able to access with this rule or perhaps they would be locked out of making necessary changes even with the trust of the civilization. Drocasma (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
If an individual is not concerned with this type of security, I agree, we should not force it upon people. If a census is the issue it is easy enough to make a separate page, but it is something to consider. Of course doing all this still doesn't prevent people from messing with others work but it my help.Intothedoor (talk) 17:38, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
This is a really important request. The misuse has increased recently in this regard. I would agree with Ddfairchild's suggestion and explanation. Artifexity (talk) 10:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
From what little I know about computers it seems that with the use of a VPN an ill-intentioned editor can spam an unlimited amount of anonymous internet IPs to use as a means to vandalize our wiki. I agree tho some people my not want this level of security, and it is best to leave it optional. I asked Dave too: How do we let people know this is available if they want it?Intothedoor (talk) 17:38, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
When a civ requests to be included as an "official civ", I will reply with a message asking if they would like this added security. As I review their embassy page and valid star and other pages, I will set the flag if they so request. I won't add them to the civspace page until we get an answer back one way or the other. Their answer will be recorded on this talk page, so we'll have a record of the civs that requested it, and those that declined. Ddfairchild (talk) 19:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Crimson Arc Map Update Request 5/20/2020[edit source]

The Crimson Arc has expanded to all platforms and has a tangible presence in every platform as well. As such, we would like to request the Civilized space map to be changed to reflect this update in what platforms the Crimson Arc encompasses. We would also like this change to be made on the Federation map as well, but are not sure if this is the correct thread to include this second request. Drocasma (talk) 16:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The maps have been updated. Artifexity (talk) 06:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Crimson Arc Size Update Request 5/5/2020[edit source]

The Crimson Arc officially has six members, and can now be categorized as a Standard civilization according to the Civilized space categories page. I would like to request acknowledge of this update on the Civilized space map. Thank you. Drocasma (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Drocasma, the civilized space map does not contain a category (except Hubs) that indicates the size of a civilization. So far this is only the case on the Federation map. Artifexity (talk) 11:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
My bad, I must have confused the Civilized space map with the Federation map. Thank you for the clarification! Drocasma (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - GRE Map Update Request 5/4/20[edit source]

So, um, not sure where else to put this, but, uh, the Eissentam Galactic Map on the GRE's page could do with an update, it, uh, still seems to be from the, I'm guessing Beyond Update, but it may also be from Atlas Rises. So, yeah, the GRE's Galactic Map is really out of date, and sadly I have no idea how to fix this, and just wanted to make sure before I try anything that it's OK to do so. So, yeah, that's kinda it. Rockatoa, Brickticks (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2020 (UTC) out!

Map has been updated. Previous map was added in December 2018, Visions release. In future, all you need to do is take a screen clip from the map on the CivSpace page that shows Eissentam. Upload it, and change your page to show the new image. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Got it, thanks! Rockatoa, Brickticks (talk) 00:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC) out!

COMPLETE - Request for The Crimson Arc's Inclusion in Civilized Space 5/2/2020[edit source]

As the founder of the Crimson Arc, I am formally requesting the inclusion of the Crimson Arc as a Civilization. We have completed all the criteria for inclusion detailed in this wiki and would like to be considered for recognition and inclusion as a Civilized Space. Furthermore, our capitol has changed, and we would appreciate it if our location was updated on the Civilized Space star map. Drocasma (talk) 22:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Have done a quick review of your star system pages. I made a variety of changes to Pravil (ARC) so that the page adheres to our wiki guidelines. You can review these changes by looking at the History tab for the page. These changes included combining the planet tables into one, adding resource links in the table, setting max size for pics to 200px, and adding back missing section headers. If you would revisit Haraza-Shuya (ARC), Ennonqu-Daiad (ARC), and Ekkinti (ARC) and make sure those changes are also made to those three pages? Once done, let us know and I will review once again.
Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 03:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello Drocasma, the map has been updated. As soon as the Crimson Arc is officially recognized, I will adjust the coloring accordingly. Artifexity (talk) 07:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
I appreciate all the help and guidance! We have made the changes as requested and have also polished up our other pages as well. Can you please revisit consideration for our inclusion in Civilized Space? If we have missed something, or need to fulfill further criteria, please let us know. Thanks! Drocasma (talk) 13:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Have reviewed your pages and made a couple of other changes, you can review at your leisure. You've now been added to the CivSpace page - welcome to Civilization! Ddfairchild (talk) 06:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Application For Official Inclusion In Civilized Space 4/13/20[edit source]

Owner of The Union Of Communal Stars formally requests inclusion and recognition as an established and recognized Civilization. Due to inaccessibility to No Man's Sky, we are unable to properly add pages for our remaining star systems, however, any member of the wiki is gladly allowed to visit the systems themselves to confirm our claim over them. The region has been experiencing an issue with renaming, and several planets and systems are constantly shifting names from the original names to the renamed ones. It is therefore requested to check the validity of the claims via discoverer name, TheDarkness473-, and not system names. The pages of the remaining systems shall be added as soon as we are sure of the rename issue being fixed, and once all data and images are in good order. Thank you. Eclipsed void16 (talk) 08:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I am also on PS4 and can tell you first hand that the default names on any of these star systems is very important to know (there is a section on the wiki page template which you can list the default name). The default names are the ones that will primarily show while you are in the Galactic Map; sometimes going back and forth between selecting different star systems (still while in the Galactic Map) will bring up the new uploaded name, but it can be a crap shoot and specially after an update and definitely if you haven't explored a region in a long period of time. If you were to warp into a system you have already uploaded the name you created will be there. I still have star systems named back during Altas Rises that still have kept their name even when the system itself has changed dramatically because of the game updates. I suggest taking pictures of your system to show what you named it but also don't for get that default name, because in the end that name will save you if you are looking for that system. Also, here is a good way to convert coords to glyphs and vise versa: https://nmsportals.github.io/ have a good day!Intothedoor (talk) 17:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your request. Once the five star pages for your civ are documented in the wiki, and your embassy page is available, we can revisit your request. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 14:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response! Thank you for alerting me of this issue. Ive gone and documented many systems and photographed their original names, and shall be adding them soon. I have 2 more systems to add, however, this is a very slow and cumbersome process for one person alone. There are many more things i need to do for making this Civ, and going in alone is hard. Thanks for your help though! Eclipsed void16 (talk) 08:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Cosmic Cooperative 4/5/2020[edit source]

The Cosmic Cooperative needs to be removed IMMEDIATELY from the Civilized space page and map as they are responsible for the recent vandalism. 194.187.249.18 21:06, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

If you have concrete proof of this, please provide whatever information you may have. I'm sure you understand that we can take no actions based on the request of an anon editor. Ddfairchild (talk) 21:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
We don't need proof, it's fairly obvious they are doing it for attention. 194.187.249.18 21:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I assume you are unfamiliar with the "innocent until proven guilty" clause. As a reminder, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: "Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law..." Thank you. Ddfairchild (talk) 21:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
The Cosmic Cooperative needs to be removed not only from the Civilized space page, but the entire No Man's Sky Gamepedia as well. Mrjordanmurphy47271 (talk) 21:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Why are you linking your comment to MrJordanMurphys profile? I corrected that and will take further measures. --Artifexity (talk) 22:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Per the real MrJordanMurphy, the Mrjordanmurphy47271 account is fake. Ddfairchild (talk) 23:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Joining the UFT 4/3/2020[edit source]

The Three Sons Syndicate would like to request membership into the UFT. The TSS has completed all requirements and will contact the vexillology department right after acceptance. Ravensfan620 (talk) 03:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ravensfan620, as already discussed I think that all membership requirements are met. We still need Ddfairchild's assessment, as the requirements for recognition on this page are identical to those of the Federation. In this way we avoid different recognition systems. Thank you. Artifexity (talk) 08:14, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I have reviewed your embassy, star, and planet pages and all pass the checklist. Have added you to the page; welcome to Civilized Space! Ddfairchild (talk) 06:18, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Request for Inclusion March 30 2020[edit source]

Can the Maya Technology Corporation be placed on the map now? We have done the requirements several days ago but we haven’t been placed on the map. We are also part of the AGT so please mark us accordingly. Thanks. Maya tech corp (talk) 19:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

That's because you are looking at the Civilized Space map, instead of the Company map. Your company was added there on March 25, and the actual coordinates were added March 27. Also, based on the notes on the Company discussion page, it looks like the requirements for your company were completed on March 26, not several weeks ago. Thanks, we good? Ddfairchild (talk) 19:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant to say days. Corrected. Many other companies are on the Civilized space map, but we aren’t? That’s what I meant. Maya tech corp (talk) 20:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I added Maya Technology Corporation to the civilized space map. I had overlooked it due to the many changes in the past few days. This map actually lists companies that meet the requirements. I didn't communicate that correctly. I am sorry for the emergence of misunderstandings. Another question: I would be interested to know how the Maya Tech Corp is related to the Federation. Is the company an independent extension of the AGT similar to the Galactic Hubs? If so, Maya Tech Corp could become a official member of the Federation. Artifexity (talk) 10:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Proposal to edit the format of the Civ Space Page 3-27-2020[edit source]

I would like you to consider these edits to the page. As the main Civ page its really a splash page for all of us. I created a test page here: User:Intothedoor/Tester2Intothedoor (talk) 09:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm OK with adding the additional HUB requirements once they are defined. Not so OK with adding the list of companies. We wouldn't list Starships on a page dedicated to Multitools, and I don't think we should list companies on a page dedicated to CivSpaces. The current page has a reference to the Company page and points to it, which is where the company lists can be found. Thoughts? Ddfairchild (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Here is the mind set of my proposed changes - 1) Civ space is everyone, Business included, and when leaving us out I believe it is a disservice to the whole civ space page and a slight slap in the face to business like InExCor, GenBra, and CELAB (to name a few). 2) The map on that page is everyone, Business included, so the tone was set for inclusion. 3) if the page seems too long I suggest trimming the civilization explanations and making a page that is Civilizations only, civ map exclusive, plus definitions just as the business page. I understand Business was an added civ space but we are integrated in the civ space as a whole and considering the top three wiki editors are businesses I think we have well proven ourselves for inclusion. And looking at the page I feel it is more united. Thoughts? Intothedoor (talk) 00:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Who is defining the new HUB requirements exactly? Would it just be the main editor of every active civilization's embassy page? Winter naut (talk) 15:28, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
The original size definitions and their text descriptions were defined by the Federation, and the wiki has adopted the rules for application here on our embassy pages. If the Fed changes their definitions, we will follow their lead. Ddfairchild (talk)
So you're saying other HUB civilizations like Amino Hub and Cosmic Cooperative wouldn’t get a say in a decision such as this? Even though they adopted the policy I don't see how it would be very fair. Metropolis civilizations don’t get to go around changing everyone's government type so it should remain the same for both. But that's just my opinion. One of the possibilities for HUB requirements was a certain number of bases counted by Fed-chosen individuals, and CC has private colonies with a majority of the bases (since I left, at least.) I'm not from there anymore but I do see issues that could rise from that. Winter naut (talk) 20:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
From what I have been told you are not part of either of these Civilizations, nor a leader of any Civ for that matter. Those who are a current HUB have no worry about meeting new requirements (is my assumption), plus does it really matter when some civs just write down whatever they want? A census can literally be made up from scratch, star systems are barely documented. I mean the CC still states its the 2nd largest Civ in NMS (with 17 reddit subscribers and less then 40 pages total in the wiki) but does it really matter?, at a point what do we at the wiki do?
Now I apologize for sounding harsh, I am not here to grind an axe with you or deal with the CC in any way. The goal here in the wiki and in Civ Space as a whole is to play with other NMS players and to be apart of a growing community, to inform, document and to help. The goal of any requirements assists the wiki in categorizing and it 'should' be a place of helpful information for our readers. You and I may have our differences but when talks begin within the Fed I welcome your thoughts on requirements, many of the ideas have been tossed around and many people have ideas, the problem is there is a reality here that we need to consider and that is the balance the Fed, the wiki, and every editor needs to make. My goal is to help define us not divide.
feel free to write down your definition of a HUB: is it just people, is it just the story one tells?, is it the amount of wiki work one does? Or the number of different editors work on their wiki, is it a single planet with many bases? or is it the Reddit/Discord subscribers, or Facebook friends? it is hard to define, and that will remain the struggle no matter what happens with any new 'requirements'. There is no police to equalize the whole community we police ourselves and at the end of the day we have to take each editors word at face value.Intothedoor (talk) 00:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Hmm where does CC still say it is the 2nd largest? And also, CC's reddit isn’t even used at all, Discord is their main platform. But HUB recognition should be based on a number of factors, with no strict necessities. E.g.: If one civilization has a ton of wiki editors but not a lot of social platform subscribers, they could still be a HUB. Winter naut (talk) 00:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
HUB recognition should be based on a number of factors - This is something I completely agree on, so the challenge is finding those multiple factors. Some may say GenBra is a HUB of information; however, that is the least of my worries. So finding common ground with as many as possible can be hard but if we all approach it as a way to help the wiki (and the players of NMS) then I think we will get there. Right now all we have as a requirement is 15 people written down in a census, and that seems totally inept to show HUB status (in my opinion). And I'll tell you now that I wouldn't want to alienate those who have already made it to HUB status, so there needs to be a compromise. My recommendations will be a few more people, a proper census and a little extra wiki work. Doesn't mean it will pass as I am only of one opinion and some feel as though there will be HUB police out there checking civs and there is just no time/man-power and so on. The Federation may operate in it's own interest and do such 'base checks' as should any alliance but my main concern is the wiki, the information within and the strength of this information. Intothedoor (talk) 02:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
That will be a choice, then, that civilizations will need to make. The Fed is the largest group of civilizations in the NMS community, and I do not believe they make their decisions lightly. There are current civs who have chosen to forgo the chance to put the HUB label on their embassy page, as they are not interested in meeting the size requirement. And that is their choice. If new requirements are decided on, then there may be civs that will choose not to meet the new requirements either. And again, that is their choice. Ddfairchild (talk) 21:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - EPM Description Change 25/03/2020[edit source]

Hello, would it be possible for the description of the EPM to be changed to this:

"The Empire of Phantomium Marxium is a community of Xbox Travellers settled in the Quvele Adjunct and neighbouring regions of the Euclid galaxy. Its aim is to assist all Xbox Travellers and the Xbox universe in general by organizing it via any means."

I recently updated the Embassy page's Summary section to be more organized, so that's where this change is coming from. Thank you.
Blek456 (talk) 15:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Completed. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Application to be added to the Civilized Space wiki page. 21/3/20[edit source]

The Empire of Bizent would like to request to be be added to the Civilized Space page. We have our Wiki pages in good order, and will continue to add and correct any errors in our Wiki page/s. We believe we are big enough to have recognition, and be listed on the Civilized Space page.

Emperor of Bizent, Can. Imnotacan1 (talk) 12:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Imnotacan1, we are waiting for Ddfairchild's assessment. In my opinion, all the requirements should be met. The map has been updatet. Artifexity (talk) 09:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for your reply. Imnotacan1 (talk) 17:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Have reviewed your pages and found them to be in order (other than the system categories which I added for you). Have added you to the civspace page - welcome to Civilized Space! Ddfairchild (talk) 01:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Application for the Federation and listing on the CivSpace Page —Kekende Fellowship 11/3/20[edit source]

Hello, the Kekende Fellowship would like to join the Federation and be listed on the Civilized space page as we have now met all requirements.

  • Kekende Fellowship — a group of travellers focused on casually exploring and building bases in the Kekende region together as well as setting up a HUB for all PS4 Survival mode players to live at.

Ilyjarolin (talk) 22:13, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

You've made a great start getting your information out there! However, I'd like to see a bit more information on your star system pages themselves, other than just the infobox. My suggestions would be to complete the Planets and Moons section, add a pic to the infobox, and add the coordinate glyphs. Everything else looks good. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 00:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello Ilyjarolin, the Federation has almost the same requirements as those for recognition on this page. In this respect, follow the Ddfairchild instructions and you are on the right track for membership in the Federation. Furthermore, Kekende Fellowship has to provide a flag and a banner in the Federation Vexillology Department. Am I correct in assuming that -ilyJarolin is the contact person for Kekende Fellowship in Reddit? Artifexity (talk) 10:59, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello Artifexity, my reddit is ily-Jarolin. I will upload a flag shortly. Ilyjarolin (talk) 12:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Do I need to add anything else? My reddit is ily-Jarolin Ilyjarolin (talk) 16:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
As already pointed out by Ddfairchild, the planets & moons sections are still incomplete for almost all star systems. I ask you to discuss the missing points with Ddfairchild. As soon as Ddfairchild adds your civilization to the civilized space page, the requirements for membership in the Federation are also met. Thank you. Artifexity (talk) 16:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
The page for Yirusti looks great as far as updating the planet table, infobox pic, etc. Once the other star systems pages are updated in the same way, you'll be good to go. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 04:52, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I have completed documentation of the other systems Ilyjarolin (talk) 01:37, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for putting the effort into updating your pages, will give you a thumbs up. Will add your civ to the civspace page this evening. Welcome to the community! Ddfairchild (talk) 02:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Glad to see another Metropolis civilization! Winter naut (talk) 18:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Can the EPM be classified as a Hub? 9/3/2020[edit source]

Hello, the EPM has been expanding and we recently managed to achieve 15 registered members, who have built a base in our capital system and have shown activity on our Discord Server. I'd like to know if there are any other steps that are needed to be taken for the EPM to be considered as a Hub. If not, would it be possible to update the Civpage and the Map. While it's not something I like to focus on, I think being a Hub might be able to help the EPM.
Blek456 (talk) 21:14, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

This is great news for the EPM! Congrats! Now, I do not make the decisions around here but I was looking at your page and I am wondering if you have ever seen the Census page template? As an example: Census - Empire of Achenar, it helps separate the user name, social media name and leaves room for adding your base or system, know who has a race track and other things that probably could be added. Also the top of the page leaves room for a list of your regions, the instructions or other info you want people to have when signing into your civilization. Most importantly if you have newer players signing your census (cause I assume you will only grow) you won't have people editing your main page but only the Census page. Honesty, it is something that I might be bringing up in the Federations Census Dept. Discussions as a standard template all medium to Large civz should use, but at the same time this is only a suggestion and not current voted on requirements. For me well maintained wiki is a sign of a premiere civilization, but then again I am a wiki nerd.Intothedoor (talk) 21:54, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
I have created a specific census page for the EPM - you can find it here: Census - Empire of Phantomium Marxium. At present, there are roughly 40 civs (out of the 250 or so with embassies in the wiki) that are considered large enough and stable enough to warrant their own census page. So congratulations! Ddfairchild (talk) 02:10, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestion! It appears that Ddfairchild was faster and created the page for me, which I am grateful for. I'll manage census information from there and try to get some more info on every member that has joined up until now. Blek456 (talk) 08:51, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello Blek456, I have marked the Empire of Phantomium Marxium on the maps as a Hub. According to the previous regulation, 15 members are sufficient for recognition. As soon as the current discussions and polls within the Federation on the subject of the Hub have been completed, I will rethink the procedure regarding the map. The marking may then be reversed for some civilizations. Artifexity (talk) 14:29, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Application to join Civilized space and the UFT 7/3/2020[edit source]

The Grand Conjunction of Aligned Systems would like to formally request joining Civilized space as well as the United Federation of Travelers. The Grand Conjunction feels our common goals are auspiciously aligned and look forward to our future contribution to all peoples of the Euclid and beyond. Our primary regional documentation has been uploaded to your galactic databanks and should be in good order; kindly let us know of any errors and they will be swiftly corrected. Expect further data packets to be regularly uploaded once a permanent datalink has been established. -First Servant of the People Ertosi; Ertosiangel (talk) 01:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ertosiangel, as far as I can tell, Grand Conjunction of Aligned Systems meets all requirements. I added your civilization on the map. For the entry on the page I am waiting for the assessment of administrator Ddfairchild. For membership in the Federation you need a Reddit account, because the main website of the Federation is on Reddit. As soon as the account is created, we can discuss the further procedure. Thank you. --Artifexity (talk) 16:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for relaying the proper coordinates for further communications with the UFT. We have broadcast a hailing frequency there and eagerly await their reply. While we had hoped to never again have dealings with the unreliable MegaCorp Reddit, we have granted this concession in good faith with the hope of contributing to a greater galaxy. Ertosiangel (talk) 17:40, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to the Federation! https://www.reddit.com/r/NMS_Federation/comments/ffwfnf/new_member_grand_conjunction_of_aligned_systems/ Artifexity (talk) 17:48, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
As French is considered the language of diplomacy, I may now gracefully say bienvenue dans l'espace civilisé. Your future contributions are awaited with great expectations by the civilized races of the Euclid galaxy. I ask with careful political suavity that you carefully review the adjustments that have been made to your documentation of stellar objects, observing the adjustments that have been made so that they may correspond to the méthodes de documentation officielles with which we carefully portray the wonders of our shared galaxy. Merci, et puissiez-vous vivre longtemps et prospérer. Ddfairchild (talk) 05:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Cosmic Cooperative[edit source]

Cosmic Cooperative should not be listed on the Civilized space page. The Cosmic Cooperative is a troll group with malicious intent and targets other civilizations such as the Galactic Hub. Malicious organizations should not be listed or placed on the map.

Thank you for your anonymous opinion. Ddfairchild (talk) 05:22, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
I would like to add that everyone has a place here. Maybe the story of the CC isn't as smooth as some other civs but they have done the work and belong in civilized space, and even if they cease to be they will be apart of space history. Intothedoor (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Cosmic Cooperative changes 02/06/2020[edit source]

The Cosmic Cooperative feels that the description listed on the page needs to be updated.

Cosmic Cooperative - is a direct democracy, high population civilization based in the Alpha Quadrant that focuses on discovery and construction. The Cosmic Cooperative does not have a leader; citizens vote for everything and elect a representative.

Thanks! Moon cookies1 (talk) 16:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

change has been made. Ddfairchild (talk) 19:43, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Formal request 01/31/2020[edit source]

The Black Star Order advance its official request to be added to the Civilized space page.

The Black Star Order has been added to the map. Welcome! --Artifexity (talk) 23:02, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Sorry, will the "navigation zone" section be updated too? 01/02/2020
Yes, as far as I can tell, all the requirements are met. I'm waiting for Ddfairchild's assessment. Once that is done, the page will be updated. --Artifexity (talk) 09:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I have reviewed your pages, and added in the missing sections, categories, etc. For future reference, review the changes so you'll be able to include those items on any additional pages. Your civ has been added to the civspace page, welcome to civilization! Ddfairchild (talk) 06:52, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Proposal to remove the United Corporate Alliance from the Civ page 01/29/2020[edit source]

There are several honorable individuals currently listed and I mean this as no insult but this alliance seem inactive and much of it has not been updated. I will not hide my feelings about this alliance, I am not a fan but there are some great companies like Vy'Kea Furniture Company, and Intergalactic Exploration Corporation, but many of the others seem incomplete. I actually don't think (under our wiki's own rules) this constitutes as an alliance as many of these companies don't have the required documentation (as far as I can tell). Over-all I feel it is a misrepresentation to our players to have this show-cased. As the games largest documented Company (InExCor) I would yield my opinion to user:PeaceBomb, if he was to take over and revamp this alliance I would drop my concerns; however, I hope he considers joining the Federation with me and together we could possibly create a true active business department... but I am getting off track.

bottom line - I do not think this alliance has the documentation or real support it needs to be showcased as a main NMS alliance that new players could become apart of. I am of course open to learning new information if it is available, thank you Intothedoor (talk) 23:38, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't agree with you. There are definitely more than 2-3 active companies. I frequently talk with the Gek Trading Federation owner on Discord and MegaCorp is still active there as well, AFAIK, as well as the active Celab Galactic Industries, and many others. A real concern up for debate would be the number of civilizations/companies needed to form a recognized alliance. IMO it should be at least 4 or 5 fully documented groups; and the Trinity Pact alliance should not be featured in the map, rather than removing the UCA, because it is merely a pact rather then a supranationalism/alliance. AGT also isn’t really an alliance, and they don’t have many separate groups anymore. CC citizens were hoping to form a supranationalism like the real world United Nations, something like United Galactic Nations, as somewhat of an alternative to the Federation, but not really, as it is definitely more discussion-focused. Right now the only real supranational alliances are the UCA and Federation, and UCA is a corporate alliance, so really, just the UFT. Winter naut (talk) 00:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
As the publisher of the map, I would like to point out that the legend on the map does not only refer to recognized alliances. The map tries to reveal the entire visible area of cooperation between civilizations, which is why the Trinity Pact is listed. The AGT is a special alliance. Their structure is difficult to decipher. The AGT is one of the first alliances in NMS. --Artifexity (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
(I would assume) There is a point at which we will have to move this group to 'inactive' if they do not update their information and provide documentation of their travels. History is as much a part of the wiki (and just as important) as current culture, my concern is old information can be misleading and I would rather see the wiki provide helpful information. The AGT has been a profound group since the beginning of this game and the alliance, as I see it, is the cross platform, cross culture (game and social media), cross galaxy play which is the group. If one was to be technical the group could split into galactic and regional groups which in-turn would form the basis of an Alliance. There is also a greater historical sentiment in their position (this is at least how I see it). You mention the Trinity Pack, but this discussion is not about who is on the map; however, they are also an XBox group which was formed at the beginning of that platforms introduction to the game, thus more historic than both of us.
My focus is specifically the business community and how we are presented. If each business needs 10 documented systems/pages and there needs to be 5 businesses to form an Alliance, this is a thin if not invalid alliance.Intothedoor (talk) 09:45, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

OK, Have done some research on the companies listed as making up the UCA as far as their activity on the wiki.

1) MegaCorp, CELAB Galactic Industries, Intergalactic Exploration Corporation, and Vy"kea Furniture Company all have an official index on the Companies page. This indicates that at one time, they were recognized as official companies.
2) The other seven companies listed as members do NOT have entries on the page, so never completed the process. These are as follows, with an indication as of the last time their embassy page was updated:
  • Aviszar Cartel - September 2019
  • Samone Corporation - December 2019
  • Ghost Enterprises - April 2019
  • The Romefeller Foundation - April 2019
  • Black Hole Suns - November 2019
  • ScrapGek Enterprises - January 2020
  • New Frontiers Incorporated - July 2019

From this list, I would consider Ghost Enterprises, The Romefeller Foundation, and New Frontiers questionable at best as far as being active, with the Aviszar Cartel a borderline case.

Having said that, I would say that there still appear to be enough companies that are active/sort of active to qualify. However, I do ask the following related question. The UCA has a recognition link on both the Company AND the CivSpace pages. It cannot be both a group of civilizations and a group of companies, as it is specifically related that it is company based. So should it really BE on both pages? And in truth, I also question whether the Federation should have a link on both pages. The Federation list that is currently on the wiki appears to contain only civspaces, and not companies. (of course, this list may not be complete - does anyone have an official answer as to whether or not the Fed accepts companies as members?)

So - IMHO based on current evidence, either either choose to leave the UCA and the Fed on both pages, or we remove the UCA from the CivSpace page and remove the Federation from the Companies page. Thoughts? Ddfairchild (talk) 20:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

The Federation also accepts companies. At the moment, 4 members of the Federation are officially recognized companies. GenBra Space Corp, RAIN, Galactic Trading Company and The Collective (Empire of Phantomium Marxium). If Oxalis Hotel Chain and Red Egion Motel Chain II (Eyfert Khannate) count, then the Federation has 6 active companies and can be recognized as an alliance on both pages.--Artifexity (talk) 22:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Is Oxalis an active concern? The release currently shows as Visions, and the page is missing a number of the standard Company sections. If Oxalis IS active, then the Headquarters page needs to be updated a bit. Red Egion Motel Chain is a new company, and is active. I've added the "federation = Yes" tag to the infobox for those where it is needed, other than Oxalis. If Oxalis is active, then the Fed will have the five needed companies and can be listed on the Company page. As for the UCA, I believe it is an acceptable Company alliance so will leave the link there. However, it is NOT a civspace alliance, so will drop the link from the CivSpace page.

And finally, we have never created a "new release" page for Companies like we have done for our CivSpaces. I will be doing that and removing any inactive civs. I will consider a civ inactive if their last wiki activity was more than six month ago. Ddfairchild (talk) 23:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to mention the Galactic Trading Company as a member of the Federation. In this respect, the Federation Allianz for Companies would also be possible without the Oxalis Hotel Chain. The Oxalis Hotel Chain is currently being renovated :) Otherwise, I agree with everything.--Artifexity (talk) 10:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the thought out response and research. My goal is to keep the business community alive and flourishing and I will continue this thru my political and personal channels in addition to keeping an eye on the wiki. If the UCA continues to stay in-date then I will not have any issues, I only want things to stay alive and not mislead any new players. I think the moves thus far are appropriate and we should review this in the future as things evolve. I would like to say one thing about the Federation, we are an open and active alliance for both Civilizations and Companies and every day we are bettering ourselves, I feel we should be represented on both pages because we accept both and in total we have the active numbers to show for it; we are the best place for any active company or civ to be (in my opinion). Intothedoor (talk) 23:31, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Updated the Embassy Page 01/09/2019[edit source]

Hello I updated the Lanny Poo Empires page so could it be added back to the galactic map.

Done. Welcome back! --Artifexity (talk) 12:10, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Star system page not linking to other pages 11/10/2019[edit source]

Could someone please check the Vovaykeva page? The parent pages of Volition Project and Lihalaw Void pages don't link to that page and my skills with Wiki editing are very limited. The link stays red and says 'page doesn't exist'. Thanks in advance Gaspurr (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Just took a look, the links seem to be working just fine. Wonder if you may have a caching issue. Go to the either of those pages and edit-and-save without making any changes. See if that fixes it? Ddfairchild (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes it seems like a caching thing. Only issue that's left is the Navigator at the bottom Vovaykeva page which says 'category doesn't exist'. Gaspurr (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Looks like it's been removed. The navigator is an optional section that doesn't get used a lot. If you don't need one, just removed the line (but leave the section header in place). Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Application to join UFT 11/2/2019[edit source]

Hello all, I would like to have my group called Darkk Sector Syndicate added to the civilized space page. I am in the Alpha quadrant of Eissentam. My civilization has been added to the map but is not under the navigation zone for Eissentam. Here is a litlle lore i created for my civilization. "We are a technological society that aims to find a way to preserve our existence after the "death" of the ATLAS. Located in the Tegoci region of the Alpha quadrent in Eissentam, we are constantly on the search for Glitch planets which we believe may be a way to understand how the ATLAS works."

I have reviewed your embassy page and the two star pages (and planets) that you've added to the wiki. Made a couple of changes there to match up with the rest of the wiki formatting; those pages are good to go. You'll need to create three more star pages (per the requirements on the civspace page) and once those are reviewed-and-approved, we'll add your civ to the the civspace page. Before you create those pages, though, review the changes made to your first two star pages and include those changes in your new pages as well. Thanks much - looking to adding your page to Civilized space in the near future! Ddfairchild (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello Darkkblaz, as soon as Ddfairchild has reviewed the pages and the recognition as a civilization has been done, the Darkk Sector Syndicate will be added as a new member of the Federation. Welcome. Artifexity (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I have looked over the edits you made and will implement them when I add the next 3 systems. It may take me a few days or so before I am able to fully add the next 3 systems, but I will post here when it is finished.

Works for me! (BTW, if you include four tildes
~~~~
at the end of your posts, it will tag your user name and date. Thanks!)

I have been able to add the 3 renaming systems, and I believe I have made the correct edits to them. If there is anything I need to change let me know.Darkkblaz (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Pages reviewed and approved - have added your civ to the CivSpace page - welcome! May you live long and prosper. BTW for future, make sure to include the needed Category section at the bottom of each page, as well as creating the necessary Category pages. If you have questions on how categories work, give me a holler. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 23:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, glad to be apart of the Federation.Darkkblaz (talk) 23:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Introducing the Volition Project to Civilised Space // Application to the UFT - 10/25/2019[edit source]

Good day all, I would like to have our PC player group named The Volition Project added to the Civilised Space page please. We are in the Gamma quadrant. Our aim it to become a member of the UFT. I see we have already been added to the map but the intro text is missing. So here we go: "The Project's mission is to explore the worlds out there and drive the frontier ever further by finding new places and by claiming worthy assets for generations of pioneers who may follow in our wake. We are curious frontiersmen and -women with a heart and soul for intrepid expansion." - V.PRO Project Lead Andrew Gaspurr

Hi Gaspurr, as soon as Ddfairchild has reviewed the pages and the recognition as a civilization has been done, the Volition Project will be added as a new member of the Federation. Welcome. --Artifexity (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
OK, I did a review of the first three "A" systems, and made a variety of changes, mainly with the Alias names section, resource links, and categories. You can review these changes, then make the same to your remaining star systems. I figure it would be easier for me to make a couple changes and just have you review them as compared to "giving you instructions" <g> Also, the page on the mineral was perfectly fine as to how it was written, but we don't normally create individual pages for minerals or plants. It's fine to include information on the planet page about them. Now if the mineral is really unique-and-fascinating, the a separate page would be ok. Lemme know once you've update the remaining pages - thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 00:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, I have seen the 'recommended' edits and I'm getting more firm using Wiki formating so yes, I'll do the other edits soon and will continue to use them for star systems. As for the mineral page, yeah, I figured they were really special and looked like the Gek may have worshipped them in the past. Very peculiar, but I will be really strict when adding more of this very individual stuff. Gaspurr (talk) 09:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Right, I think I catered to most, if not all, your propositions and thank you for your reviews so far. Let me please reiterate the Volition Project's application to the UFT and us looking forward to being a part of this fine crew. Godspeed. Gaspurr (talk) 19:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
I've reviewed your star pages, embassy page, and application. You're good to go - welcome to the CivSpace communmity. Ddfairchild (talk) 19:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - New Request - Adjusting Information for the HCIS - 10/8/19[edit source]

Hello, my fellow Travellers! Just wished to make a couple of updates to the general information of the HCIS throughout the Federation and Civilized space displays in general. Our symbol has been updated (which also has its own alternate version), as well as our population has increased! Our Census shown on our subreddit now registers 7 players in total, bringing us into the Standard classification. Finally, I have gone through and updated/refreshed the description of the organization. Just making sure our personal information is up to date, and keeping ourselves active! Thank you for your time!
-Director of the HCIS Optimus3097 (talk) 13:56, 08 October 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good, always good to see our civspaces prospering and growing. Ddfairchild (talk) 01:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello Optimus3097, I have adapted the map of the Federation accordingly. Thank you. Artifexity (talk) 10:42, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - What the ewoks did I miss?[edit source]

OK, wow, that's a pretty empty starmap. Sigh, I guess a lot of people left. Oh well, could be worse. Dang though, that's a lot of now defunct interstellar communities. I, uh, I need to go sit down. * realizes I'm already sitting *, OK, well that didn't help anything with the newfound shock of a mostly empty starmap. I'm gonna go, and uh, make some cheese. Rockatoa, Brickticks (talk) 22:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC) out!

Hello Brickticks, the map is a bit deceptive at the moment. Since I only add civilizations that have updated their Embassy pages to Beyond. I think there are still a few coming back. At the moment most are busy with cooking :) Immediately after an update, other topics take precedence. After a while, when everything new has been tried, some come back or discover the civilized space for the first time. --Artifexity (talk) 08:56, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - The map has been updated to Beyond 9/9/19[edit source]

All civilized space zones, that have not updated their Embassy page to Beyond, have been removed from the map. --Artifexity (talk) 10:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Request to append link to coordinate system in Extra Info 8/31/19[edit source]

Users who want to establish companies may not know how to determine which quadrant they are in. Providing a simple conversion method in the "Extra Information" section of the page may be a viable way to mitigate this potential issue.

XanTheDragon (talk) 18:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello XanTheDragon, thanks for the hint. A note was added to Additional information. --Artifexity (talk) 10:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Free Delta Initiative population 8/24/19[edit source]

Hi, why is the Free Delta Initiative marked as a Hub (on the map) when it isn’t? It is basically an alliance and the census consists of less individuals then the required 15 for Hub status. Also, why is the Cafe 42 civilization marked as Event and the "42" is marked white for some reason? Why so? Thanks, Winter naut (talk) 00:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Winter naut, I've already talked to Moon cookies1 from the Cosmic Cooperative about my work on the map regarding Hubs. Please inform yourself about it in the lower section (Hubs & more 8/14/19). The 15 rule is an invention of the Federation to avoid fraud. It only applies within the Federation. On the map I apply various criteria to mark a Hub. The 15 rule is only one of them. The map is largely independent of wiki, federation or other interest alliances. I also try to take developments outside this community into consideration.
During the Beyond Black Holes Contest, the Free Delta Initiative proved to be a Hub by making an extraordinary number of entries. In my opinion, this has only been possible with a high number of members or users who feel connected to the FDI. Shortly thereafter, I was asked by DeepSikz if I would mark the FDI as a Hub.
Cafe 42 has an offshoot (Event) in the 42nd Galaxy. This is used as a port of call for travelers through the galaxies. Previously, the 42nd Galaxy had its own box on the map and so the event could be marked. But due to lack of information about the Event and lack of space on the map, I decided to change that. I am not satisfied with the solution and will change it again. Thanks for the hint.
The map is subject to constant adaptation. Especially after an update. It's going to change a lot. --Artifexity (talk) 08:41, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Request to change EPM's location on the starmap 8/17/19[edit source]

Sorry to have to bother you again so soon. But the capital of the EPM has changed a considerable distance, the system, planet and coords have already been updated on the Embassy page. For ease of access the new coords:

0801:0086:07E2:007A

In case we need to document 5 in total new systems in the region just like when we started off, I'll get on it as soon as I get confirmation. I hope you'll be able to make the edit without having been too inconvenienced.

Thanks in advance! Blek456 (talk) 08:56, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Blek456, I have adjusted the maps accordingly. To my knowledge, it suffices in such a case to document the capital system and the capital planet in the new region. The other old 4 star systems continue to count. Optionally, of course, it would be desirable for the new region to be documented as well. --Artifexity (talk) 10:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! The new region will be documented, but I wanted to know if I should it do immediately or at a slower pace. Blek456 (talk) 15:42, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

COMPLETE - Hubs & more 8/14/19[edit source]

As said by Artifexity and many other users, Hubs are a controversial topic. And here I am, part of that now. I was told that 15 users in a Census must have a Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, or Gamepedia account to be a Hub. So that is why I had to wait for 25 Citizens, because many of the citizens did not have those accounts. However, some Hubs do not follow this and there are other issues as well with many of them:

  • Amino Hub
    • Census
      • Census is outdated (Atlas Rises)
      • Only 12 members actually have the accounts I mentioned
      • Duplicate users
    • Star systems are from Pathfinder
  • Free Delta Initiative
    • Actually an Alliance, not a Hub
    • The Census has less members than 15
    • Only 2 documented systems
  • Alliance of Galactic Travellers This one is a little more complex:
    • The Census includes members from Louyen, CELAB Galactic Industries, etc
      • These members should not be counted toward the AGT hub in Gamma
    • All the members of the Facebook are considered citizens? What if we made all of the people in our discord citizens?
    • It still might be a hub, there is just no way of knowing

I do not mean to harm any of these civilizations: I am trying to make the wiki more accurate

In addition, civilizations without 5 documented systems or inactive since 2 updates ago (Abyss in this case) should be removed.

Thanks ~Moon cookies1 (talk) 01:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Moon cookies1, first I have to clarify something. We have to distinguish between the page of the civilized space and the map. The map serves primarily the general public, beyond Federation and Wiki. That's why there are also Civilizations and Hubs on the map that are not or hardly represented in the wiki.
Through my role as moderator in the Federation, I am constantly receiving personal messages about new Civilizations or changes in existing ones. Therefore I have information to make the map as balanced as possible for all.
History, activities and census are equally included in the evaluation of a hub on the map. I mentioned examples in response to my profile. If there are no previous stories or activities that indicate a Hub, I would point out the 15 verifiable members. That's what happened with your Civilization.
The decision of 15 verifiable members on the wiki was a decision by the Federation to be recognized as a Hub. This was at a time when membership of the Federation was not determined by the documentation of star systems, but by the number of members. https://www.reddit.com/r/NMS_Federation/comments/981911/debriefing_and_result_of_the_vote_on_the/
The next 3 months will continue to see Federation members on the map who may still be from NEXT. That's the effect of a Federation decision: https://www.reddit.com/r/NMS_Federation/comments/bowaz1/fsa_supplement_42/
Under the heading "Under construction" are all Civilizations which are either new and/or do not meet the minimum requirements for Civilization recognition. As well as Civilizations or Hubs, which are not represented in the wiki accordingly. I will present this more clearly in the map after your request in the future.
The map is subject to constant adaptation. Especially after an update. It's going to change a lot. Thank you for your research. --Artifexity (talk) 12:12, 15 August 2019 (UTC)